listserv messages

Replied by Deborah Stine on 04/23/2015 - 16:26
  Thanks for passing this on & congrats to Diana et al. for putting them together.  You can see a lot of thought went into it.   The principles fit well with the discussions I had when I was working with committees of experts in several research fields on a study focused on international benchmarking of those research fields (   Going back to a discussion of... [Read more]  
Replied by Frye, Joan M. on 04/23/2015 - 17:14
I hate to send this to the entire listserve, but does anyone know if there is a way to get these emails in a single daily digest?   Thanks,   Joan     Joan M. Frye, PhD Senior Staff Associate Office of International & Integrative Activities National Science Foundation 4201 Wilson Boulevard, Room I-935.01 Arlington, VA  22230   [Read more]  
Replied by Thornhill, Jennifer L. on 05/04/2015 - 09:33
Dear Joan,   I manage the SciSIP listserv and have updated your account settings so that you receive a single daily digest.   I am replying to the entire listserv in case anyone else would like me to update their account. If so, please send me an email with this request.   Best wishes,   Jennifer   Jennifer Thornhill, Ph.D. Acting Budget Officer/ Science Analyst Directorate for Social, Behavioral and Economic Sciences National Science Foundation 4201 Wilson Boulevard Arlington, VA... [Read more]  
Replied by Loet Leydesdorff on 04/24/2015 - 04:40
Or should there be some sort of “table” that has the principle in the first column and the assessment of the situation for that assessment in the second column?   Dear colleagues,   One should not underestimate that some problems have not been solved in the literature. For example, rule 6 “Account for variation by field in publication and citation practices” is quite a problem because fields and specialties are not neatly delineated. Thus, it is not so easy (if possible) to specify the error.   For example, the Leiden Rankings 2014 are based... [Read more]  

Posted by Katy Borner on 04/22/2015 - 13:17
Call for Macroscope Tools for the Places & Spaces: Mapping Science Exhibit (2015) The complete call with more detailed information can be found at Background and Goals The Places & Spaces: Mapping Science exhibit was created to inspire cross-disciplinary discussion on how to best track and communicate human activity and scientific progress on a global scale. It will soon have three components: (1) physical exhibits that enable the... [Read more]  

Posted by Hicks, Diana M on 04/22/2015 - 10:02
If you have trouble reading this email, please go to the online version.       Registration for the... [Read more]  

Posted by Julia Lane on 04/22/2015 - 09:24
Hi   I’d like to call your attention to a very nice discussion with Jason Owen Smith and EJ Reedy in an online Q&A session on the Institute for Research on Innovation and Science.  The session is hosted by AAAS       As of May 15, I will be moving to NYU as Professor in the Wagner School and Professor of Practice at the Center for Urban Science and Progress.  My new email address... [Read more]  

Posted by Susan Fitzpatrick on 04/21/2015 - 07:22
Following up on a message a few days ago about religiosity and science – I am curious to learn how much has been done on cases like the controversy over the new telescope in Hawaii -- clearly the tension between astronomy and the sacredness of the ground is an excellent case study – since astronomy shares an interesting history with belief systems.   thanks   Susan M.... [Read more]  
Replied by Glenn Hampson on 04/21/2015 - 08:28
I’m not sure I agree with connecting these situations. The debate in Hawaii is certainly infused with elements of religiosity, but legitimately so---the Mauna Kea Thirty Meter Telescope project is being built on what the protestors consider sacred ground. The protestors aren’t universally anti-science. And there has been a lot of debate on this issue in Hawaii over the past several years, and a lot of reasoned efforts to reach an appropriate understanding and accommodation. Cynthia-Lou Coleman at Portland State University has studied similar political conflicts in the Pacific... [Read more]  
Replied by Marga Gual Soler on 04/21/2015 - 08:58
There is a debate on Twitter happening right now over this:   2015-04-21 12:22 GMT-04:00 Susan Fitzpatrick <>: Following up on a message a few days ago about religiosity and science – I am curious to learn how much has been done on cases like the controversy over the new telescope in Hawaii... [Read more]  
Replied by Susan Fitzpatrick on 04/21/2015 - 10:40
I asked a question – trying to find is there are boundaries around what is a “legitimate” infusion of religiosity into a conflict with science and what might not be, thanks   Susan M. Fitzpatrick, Ph.D. President, James S. McDonnell Foundation Past-President, Association for Women in Science Visit JSMF forum on academic issues: SMF blog     [Read more]  
Replied by Barbara Jasny on 04/21/2015 - 15:54
Would any of the cases pertaining to the Native_American_Graves_Protection_and_Repatriation_Act be of help to you? Barbara Jasny   Barbara R. Jasny, Ph.D. Deputy Editor, Insights section Science     [Read more]  
Replied by Bill Valdez on 04/22/2015 - 07:06
HBO's documentary on Scientology illustrates Caroline's point very well. Attempts to use science to explain the sacred is fraught with danger.   [Read more]  
Replied by Phillips on 04/22/2015 - 09:17
For what it's worth, I think of a scientific project as having three stages. They are: Choosing the problem to be attacked; doing the investigation; and choosing (to the extent one can) the arenas in which the results will be applied. The researcher may apply his/her values and religious ideas to the first of these, for example, to choose whether to find a more profitable though polluting mining technique, or to find the most environmentally responsible technique. S/he may similarly apply (religious) values in the third stage, a famous example being Einstein and Szilard's letter to... [Read more]  
Replied by Caroline Wagner on 04/22/2015 - 09:36
The framework here is important: science is not opposed to the sacred, nor vice versa. Scientism - the belief that acceptance of science will refute or obliterate arational urges - is set in opposition to the sacred. Science is simply the experimental and reproducible knowledge about the natural world. Scientism would suggest that rationally derived evidence will erase arational needs, behavior or thoughts. However, a cursory view of history shows that rational and arational thought coexist even in the same person and certainly within scientifically advanced societies. 'Arational'... [Read more]  
Replied by Glenn Hampson on 04/22/2015 - 10:53
This i09 article doesn't answer Susan's question either---of whether there are "legitimate" infusions of religiosity into science (and if so, what these might be)---but it makes for interesting reading on what "illegitimate" infusions look like: As for what constitutes "legitimate" infusions, and following on Barbara's suggestion, Cynthia Lou Coleman at Portland State has done a lot of work on issues at the... [Read more]  
Replied by Glenn Hampson on 04/22/2015 - 12:36
Agreed Chris---the situation in Hawaii is not a good example---but Susan was looking for something more religion-science focused (I think), going back to the posting a few days ago of Roland Bénabou's paper on the political economy of science, religion and growth. Hence the complexity. Is anyone working on her question---a center, research project, etc.? I think we're all aware of Dan Kahan's "cultural cognition" work at Yale and how this might shape the answer, but is there any work you're aware of focusing specifically on science and religion? Best, Glenn Glenn... [Read more]  
Replied by Joshua Rosenbloom on 04/22/2015 - 21:04
The difficulty with the entire discussion is (IMHO) that it is mistaken to suppose that there is some homogeneous set of religious beliefs against which science is being contrasted.  All one need do is look at the evolution of Christianity to see that religious belief is evolving and shaped by external forces.  Weber, of course, famously proposed that the Reformation was a factor in the surge of economic growth in early modern Europe.  But one can just as easily argue that the growth of commercial values contributed to growing resistance to... [Read more]  
Replied by Christopher Hill on 04/22/2015 - 14:08
It seems to me that we are making this problem entirely too complex.  As  I understand it, the objection to the proposed astronomical facility is  that it would be located on land considered sacred.  No one is objecting  on religious grounds to the conduct of astronomical observations, to the  use of telescopes and the like, or to the data collected and inferences  that might be drawn from the data.  Thus, there is no conflict between  "science" and religion in this case.  Just please put the telescope  somewhere other than on sacred ground!... [Read more]