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Holly Falk-Krzesinski | Apr, 17 2017

 

External Reporting

Colleagues:
 
I’m trying to understand the breadth of external reporting universities do and am cataloging the various external reporting instruments/surveys universities complete (mandatory or optional)
wrt to student or faculty activity and/or research activity.  Can you recommend any others I should add to the list below (I’ll share the compiled list back with the listserv)?
 
Thank you,
Holly
 
·      
CGS/GRE Graduate Enrollment & Degrees Survey

·      
NSF Survey of Graduate Students and Postdoctorates in Science and Engineering
·      
IU Beginning College Survey of Student Engagement
·      
IU National Survey of Student Engagement
·      
NSF National Survey of Recent College Graduates
·      
IU Faculty Survey of Student Engagement

·      
NSF Higher Education Research and Development Survey (HERD)

·      
ED National Center for Education Statistics IPEDS Survey
·      
HERI Faculty Survey + add’l modules

·      
AAU Membership Indicators
 

 
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Susan Fitzpatrick | Apr, 17 2017

 

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Holly – this is amazing – am I right in guessing that many of these reports require the same or in some cases overlapping bits of information?   Is collection and reporting standardized? S Susan M. Fitzpatrick, Ph.D.President, James S. McDonnell Foundation Visit JSMF forum on academic issues: www.jsmf.org/clothing-the-emperor SMF blog  www.scientificphilanthropy.com      

Holly Falk-Krzesinski | Apr, 17 2017

 

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To answer your questions, Susan:
 
many of these reports require the same or in some cases overlapping bits of information
Probably…
 
Is collection and reporting standardized
Not likely…
 
 
 
Also, I should clarify my request: my focus is on US universities.  However, I certainly welcome info and insight about reporting in other countries as well.
 
Regards,
Holly
 
 

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From: Susan Fitzpatrick [mailto:susan@jsmf.org]

Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 12:16 PM
To: Falk-Krzesinski, Holly (ELS-NYC); SCISIP@LISTSERV.NSF.GOV
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Holly – this is amazing – am I right in guessing that many of these reports require the same or in some cases overlapping bits of information?   Is collection and reporting standardized? S
 

Susan M. Fitzpatrick, Ph.D.
President, James S. McDonnell Foundation

Visit JSMF forum on academic issues:
www.jsmf.org/clothing-the-emperor

SMF blog 
www.scientificphilanthropy.com  

 
 

 

David Wojick | Apr, 17 2017

 

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All federal information collections (including NSF and ED) have to be
cleared through the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA)
in OMB. (I helped set OIRA up 2.3 eons ago). This includes a burden
estimate. If there is duplication or undue burden then one might complain
to OIRA.
See

https://www.reginfo.gov/public/jsp/Utilities/faq.jsp#icr_info

I will be happy to advise, as best I can.
David
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At 01:16 PM 4/17/2017, you wrote:
Holly – this is amazing – am I
right in guessing that many of these reports requiree the same or in some
cases overlapping bits of information?   Is collection and
reporting standardized? S
 
Susan M. Fitzpatrick, Ph.D.
President, James S. McDonnell Foundation
Visit JSMF forum on academic issues:

www.jsmf.org/clothing-the-emperor

SMF blog 

www.scientificphilanthropy.com Â

 
 
 

Susan Fitzpatrick | Apr, 17 2017

 

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My questions were more of the general curiosity and not just about burden (although that is an issue I am sure) – I was just concerned that so often there seems to be lots of different forms of data collected to fulfill specific purposes that could serve more general purposes.   And – because data is collected for specific purposes and in specific ways across a number of different aggregators we often get knowledge resembling swiss cheese rather than whole cloth (if I can miX my metaphors…).    Thanks, S  Susan M. Fitzpatrick, Ph.D.President, James S. McDonnell Foundation Visit JSMF forum on academic issues: www.jsmf.org/clothing-the-emperor SMF blog  www.scientificphilanthropy.com      

David Wojick | Apr, 17 2017

 

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What sort of general purposes do you have in mind? The specific federal
agency collections are dictated by agency mission and need. These general
purposes may not be a government function. On the other hand interagency
cooperation might be feasible, or a legislative mandate.
But burden plays in here because burden (labor hours to compile and
provide the information) is the cost in the cost-benefit analysis of the
proposed collection. Every agency has a burden budget which constrains
their information collection activities. The collective federal burden is
already huge. The government cannot simply collect information (and
impose burden) just because someone might find it useful. Information is
expensive, a tax on people's time.
David
At 02:14 PM 4/17/2017, you wrote:
My questions were more of the
general curiosity and not just about burden (although that is an issue I
am sure) – I was just concerned that so often there seems to be lots of
different forms of data collected to fulfill specific purposes that could
serve more general purposes.  And – because data is collected for
specific purposes and in specific ways across a number of different
aggregators we often get knowledge resembling swiss cheese rather than
whole cloth (if I can miX my metaphors…). Thanks, S
 
Susan M. Fitzpatrick, Ph.D.
President, James S. McDonnell Foundation
Visit JSMF forum on academic issues:

www.jsmf.org/clothing-the-emperor

SMF blog 

www.scientificphilanthropy.com Â

 
 
 

Hale, Katherine L. | Apr, 17 2017

 

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Holly,
 
The National Survey of Recent College Graduates (NSRCG) no longer occurs. It surveyed individuals, not universities.

 
You could add to your list the Survey of Science and Engineering Research Facilities,
https://www.nsf.gov/statistics/srvyfacilities/#sd
 
Katherine Hale
Senior Science Resources Analyst
Science and Engineering Indicators Program
National Center for Science and Engineering Statistics
National Science Foundation
703-292-7786
 
 
 

Susan Fitzpatrick | Apr, 17 2017

 

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Knowledge could be one general purpose.   But by the tone of your email I feel we are communicating at cross purposes.   My ideal would be to strive for less burden – better knowledge.    I wasn’t expecting a question about how much duplication of effort reporting requires would subject me to a lecture.   And if I wanted to be provocative I would suggest that people’s time is highly taxed already without much worry about it.   Thank you for your responses.   On my end, the subject is closed. Susan M. Fitzpatrick, Ph.D.President, James S. McDonnell Foundation Visit JSMF forum on academic issues: www.jsmf.org/clothing-the-emperor SMF blog  www.scientificphilanthropy.com      

David Wojick | Apr, 17 2017

 

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Sorry, I was just trying to explain how the government actually operates in this context. If that is not a consideration then my point was pointless.David

Christopher Hill | Apr, 17 2017

 

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While noting and managing the burden of Federal agency data
collection from universities, it is important to keep in mind that
these same data are extremely valuable to the reporting
institutions, both internally and as they position themselves in
the highly competitive higher education marketplace.
How often have we heard, "I wish the [fill in the blank agency]
had more and more detailed data on [fill in the blank.]  I just
don't want them to ask me to provide that data for my
institution"?
Chris

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On 4/17/2017 2:51 PM, David Wojick
wrote:

What sort of general purposes do you have in mind? The specific
federal
agency collections are dictated by agency mission and need. These
general
purposes may not be a government function. On the other hand
interagency
cooperation might be feasible, or a legislative mandate.

But burden plays in here because burden (labor hours to compile
and
provide the information) is the cost in the cost-benefit analysis
of the
proposed collection. Every agency has a burden budget which
constrains
their information collection activities. The collective federal
burden is
already huge. The government cannot simply collect information
(and
impose burden) just because someone might find it useful.
Information is
expensive, a tax on people's time.

David

At 02:14 PM 4/17/2017, you wrote:
My questions were
more of the
general curiosity and not just about burden (although that is an
issue I
am sure) – I was just concerned that so often there seems to be
lots of
different forms of data collected to fulfill specific purposes
that could
serve more general purposes.  And – because data is collected
for
specific purposes and in specific ways across a number of
different
aggregators we often get knowledge resembling swiss cheese
rather than
whole cloth (if I can miX my metaphors…). Thanks, S
 
Susan M. Fitzpatrick, Ph.D.
President, James S. McDonnell Foundation
Visit JSMF forum on academic issues:

www.jsmf.org/clothing-the-emperor

SMF blog 

www.scientificphilanthropy.com Â